How much would I get...

How much would I get...

... for my second hand PDX2000's in spot on cond, no problems etc, with Technics headshell, stanton carts, and Stanton RM-Three mixer? ( Crossfader on mixer is somewhat grainy / fucked ).

Just had a go of some TTX-1s today, am feeling somewhat left out.

Chris u bastard, charging me 600 quid, they are less than that brand new

I'd like to see you buy all that for 600 quid brand new.........the decks alone are £600 a pair.

You have bashed them about a bit like mate, there is a canny few chips on em now!

U selling up like?

I strongly advise against TTX1s like mate. Not worth it. The TT200 is half the price, with pretty much the same motor just without the fancy bollocks. Not better than the PDX2000s imo.

are there shite chips on them trance_fan, they are in nice nick, they havent moved off my desk top except when I made my new desk.

I am considering selling the decks and mixer and replacing them with another set; no way am i just selling them for the money tho.

The TTX-1 I used felt solid like Technics, but it had shitloads of features, most notably the twin tonearms so I can back up in decent quality my old record collection, some of which are 70 years old.

Also digital out is nice for MP3 ripping vinyl with a minimum of quality loss.

I suppose I would have to get a longer demo at a shop to know if they are worth it tho.

I value ur advice as u have much more experience than myself; what is so dismal about the TTX1's?

Well I have noticed marks on them, they were pristine when I sold ya them, but you never look after any of your stuff anyway

Why do you want another Set?

TTX1's arn't dismal, but you pay for alot of gimmicks.

The interchangable tonearm is daft, they have been known to get very loose as a result.

You wont notice any difference at all wether you use a straight arm or an S shaped one.

Why would you want to back up 70 year old records anyway?

If you record to pc from the decks in .wav format, there is very little quality loss...again, you would probably not notice any difference using a digital out.

Lots of gimmicks, high price. The ones I used fell to bits, and the buttons were getting jammed etc. changing speed at random mid mix......Sure thats been resolved now though. At the end of the day, they are still Numark.

I would just stick with the Vestax tbh, unless you really want to change. It depends where you see yourself going with DJing. The only reason I got Technics was because I started to play out more and wanted to be 100% confident on them.

The PDX2000s are great decks, definatley better quality than the Numarks.

just get technics

Keep the Vestax or get Technics, Numarks are pootash!

Ok, decided im just gonna stick with my Vestax, seems like it aint worth it to change.

The 70 yr old "vinyl" ( acetate or whatever ) was my grandfathers, old jazz etc, they are fking historic now, original sleeves too, look like the dead see scrolls

TTX1s do 78, so do my vestax, but the quality is balls when the horizontal tracking angle isn't good.

Chris, admittedly it means fuck all for DJing but for listening to music, u deffo can tell the difference in quality between horizontal tracking angles on my decks, plus you can't really use elliptical styli with a straight tonearm if you value your vinyl.

how can u tell the difference if u have a straight arm deck?? I often listen to music through my headphones and theres blatently no audible difference!

I suppose there would probably be a difference with a pair of those 11 grand headphones you speak of.....

And, theres no point using an elyptical stylus for your room.

1) learn to spell "elliptical"

2) Come to mine and I will show you the difference. It's probably more apparent on the old records cos they are tighter pressed etc. so they aren't forgiving.

how can u show me the difference between s shaped and straight tonarms....you only have straight arm decks.

stop talking shit

I can vary the horizontal tracking angle on my straight arm decks and u can hear the shitter quality, that variation doesnt happen as much on s tonearms. Go and learn some maths, son

how can u vary it? If you just leave it as it is u cant tell the difference.

you need to get out more, when im djing/listening to tunes i couldn't give a fuck about the maths involved

This just shows u have fuck all idea what ur on about, the angle varies as the tone arm turns to move the stylus across the record.

The maths affects the listening pleasure, without it setting ur shit up is just shooting in the dark, like putting random components in ur pc and trying to get a gaming beast.

There is a popular perception that maths is boring or nerdish - I consider such statements a conclusive indictment of idiocy.

And yes, as it varies i _can_ tell the difference, very well thank you. That is with hearing damage too, so the difference is quite a bit.

there's no amount of arguements that will make me think maths is not boring. it's essential, but i don't crack one off over it.

i bet you cant tell the difference.

especially in a club...

I'm quite well aware of that, Not giving a toss is not the same as not knowing.

Put your vestax next to my technics, with the tonearm set up correctly, and u can't tell. End of story.

You're just being pedantic.

ur right i bet u cant in a club, but u can when ur listening to the music at home. I dont even have some ridiculous 10 grand hifi speaker setup either.

You claim not to "know" here dont ya

I bet you can't tell the quality difference between my setup and urs - cos im using better speakers and SC.

Ur argument is that u know you need to use maths to make decisions - but you ignore it anyway, just because you dont care?

Your speakers arn't better overall. PC ones yes but not HiFi..since u aint got one. Granted, sound card is better, but the more devices between the deck and speakers you have, the lower qound quality you get. Not noticible really but its a factor.

What I was asking was, how can u vary the horizontal tracking angle. Letting the record play is obvious, but you can't exactly change how the tonearm turns....

No. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to know that the angles change as the tonearm moves.


If you have a vestax deck, and a technics deck, on the same sound system, you can NOT tell the difference!

In all the years I have used dj message boards, I have never known anybody make such a fuss about this!

So what you are saying is, since you are comparing a deck to itself, that you can notice a gradual loss in quality as a tune plays....funny I had those decks 2 years and never noticed. Then again, I wasn't using it to play 70 year old tunes. You trying to get a slot at your local granny club?

You also mentioned that the reason was that the older tunes are pressed tighter. Are they albums? If so, its pointless comparing them to new singles. Newer technology gives better presses, and its well known that tighter pressed tracks are quieter.

It may not take a genius to figure out that there is a change, but how to use that change to optimise ur system is where the maths comes in. Without using maths, can you tell me how to optimise a tonearm? Just in general terms, even.


The second part of your quote is clearly BS. The Technics have superior sound quality both due to the tone arm, and due to the internal components - it was designed as an audiophile deck originally. This is noticable.

Oh, and my SS rox urs any day of the week

Mate, with all due respect, you don't even have technics. You can not tell the difference if they were side by side. How can u argue so firmly, you don't even own a pair......and u have had decks for what? 5..6 months?

Lets have a sound off then. 330 watt rms panasonic hifi + my logitech system, vs yours.

hmm