Israel/Palestine

Israel/Palestine

I know theres already an overkill of political threads - but we've never had this.

Just wondering what everyones stance on the middle east crisis is...

I guess mine is pretty obvious

I'm on the jews side here, hate those bloody arabs :evil:

*GNASH GNASH*

you kick me out of house and home and i may want to kill you.

thats my stance on any conflict of this kind.

and thats not anti-semitic, its human nature.

thats not a stance, thats just what happens...

Do Israel have a claim on the land?
Are Israel repsonnsible for the genocdie of palestinians?
Should palestinian refugees be given the right to return?
Should the wall be torn down?

I want your opinion

Hummel do you know that palestinian arabs aren't just Muslims?

Well the ones that fight along side the muslims are just as bad

Do you even know the first thing about the conflict or do you just dislike arabs?

I just dislike arabs

Im on the side of the jews, however i dont think its as easy as that to say who's right and whos wrong. Both sides have killed people. It all depends on how far back you look to be able to paint a picture of justification for either side.

why?

No, the jewish people do not have a claim to the land. I may be off the mark here but, using a christian theological perspective, but where the jews not consigned to roam the face of the earth forever? I fail to see why the jewish people should be 'given' a homeland in this way... i think the establishment of israel is wrong above anything else. Correct me here if i am wrong but is isreal not a product of mostly jewish american intervention through NGO's?

Yes, but then i have friends who lived in kitbutz's and have said that religion is hardly an issue to most of the young people they came accross which contrasts with the images we see on TV. So i would say 'Isreal' is only responsible for palestinian deaths in a similar way to laying responsibilities of iraqi deaths on you or i.

No, not unless something radical happens within israel.

No, as above.

It has a big impact on you.... oil prices, western loathing, etc. can all be effected by israel.

Not at all, Israel was orriginally drawn up by the league of nations, the arabs rejected the jews claim to the land - so the jews drew their own borders and took the land they believed was rightfully theres.

As a jew I believe strongly ina jewish homeland, 6 million of us were killed in Germany, thousands in Russia, throughout the middle ages we were persecuted... history continuelly repeats itsself - in order to preserve our race we need somewhere we can escape to without fear of extinction.

Palestine isn't a country that has been there since eternity, it was a product of the splitting up of the Ottoman empire, there has always been a population of jews there (although numbers increased with the creation of zionism in the 1800's)... The way in which the immigration worked is certainly questionable... but the jews have a very legitamate claim...

This is what infuriates me, the looney left is forever crying genocide, this is both insulting to israeli's and real victims of genocide... curent genocides

China: 35,000,000 killings since 49
Sudan: 2,000,000 killings since 83
North Korea: 2 million killings since 49
Burundi: 100,000 killings since 96
Burma: 100,000 killings since 79
Laos: 100,000 killings since 75
Russia - Chechnya: 50,000 killings since 94
Congo: 40,000 killings since 94
Columbia: 10,000 killings since 75
Vietnam: 10,000 killings since 75
Nepal: 5,000 killings since 96
Indonesia: 2,000 killings since 67
India: 2,000 killings since 47
Rwanda: 1,000 killings since 95
Uganda, 1,000 killings since 94
Cambodia: 1,000 killings since 93
Sri Lanka: 1,000 killings since 83
Philippines: 1,000 killings since 72

Israel: 1,000 killings since 2000

When you look at statistic's like that you begin to wonder why Israel get tarred with such an evil brush while the rest of the world ignores much larger problems.

It is my strong belief this is just deep rooted western anti-semitism resurfacing, the UN have even released statistics highlighting the huge rise in anti-semitic attitudes in countries like the UK.

It sickens me to my gut when I hear people symapthising with Hamaas and the PLO

How so?

The Arab world which unquestionably want to drive the jews into the see are an incredible force... Don't fall into the trap of thinking that palestine are a lone defenceless state, they have the alliance of some very powerful nations.

As for the jews having control of the west which is a ocmmon arguement, that is just poppycosh - OPEC can and have toppled western economies with their global dead lock on oil

Don't underestimate the arab nations... They are a very strong threat to the Jewish people.

nice to see the admins doing their job and locking out real racists

Nothing....i reckon its too late for that now...

Unashamedely on the side of the Jews here. They've been persecuted for centuries in Europe culminating in the holocaust (PS any BNP'ers on here who even try to claim it didn't happen will get punched), Israel was their land from biblical times before they were driven out (by the Romans??) so it was natural they wanted to return to what they rightly saw as their homeland after WWII, somewhere they could finally be free from persecution.

The UN legitimised Israel as a state in 1948 (?) followed immediately by declaration of war from Israel's Arab neighbours. Incredibly Israel kicked even Egypt's butt and survived. Same happened in 1967 when Israel took the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights. The reason was so Israel could create defendible borders which they couldn't do with the 1948 borders. Pre '67 borders meant that Israel was vulnerable to attack at any time.

It's shit that they are occupying Palestine but that's tough titty. Israel's arab neighbours vowed to destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the sea so I can't and won't blame Israel for defending itself. The first step to lasting peace has to be the Arabs retracting from that and accepting Isreal. A promise not to obliterate Israel first chance they get would be good.

Taking out Hamas leaders with helicopter gunships is fine too