does Israel have 'a right to exist"?

practice make perfect dude

i've got some, god created the earth in sevens days bullshit, on the first day blah blah blah, second day blah blah blah..... and so on and so on.

If he did it in seven days, how the fuck did the dinosuars manage to get on the earth millions of years before we did, when the bible says that it was all done in one week?

i have said in previous posts we can scientificly dis prove the bible so why do people still belive it

god made the dinosaurs he just reconsidered around noah's era and didn't let them on the arc... same thing with unicorns and mermaids/mermen... he told me this one time i was wrecked.

psycho - you keep saying you can prove it and i'm not saying otherwise, only challenging you to bring this scientific evidence you say is everywhere and show it to me here...
NOT SIMPLY JUST SAYING WE CAN DISPROVE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN...

not that hard to understand is it

i even put it in big letters so its easier for you to understand

still doesn't expain how they were on the earth millions of years before us, but god create the earth and all on it in 7 days.

Christians do not understand genesis and they interpret it literally... The answers lie within the wording:

To start with, notice how the bible starts with “In the beginning” and not “on the first day”… Torah scholars explain that this is to do with the concept of time; up until recently scientists thought the universe was eternal (there was no beginning and there shall be no end)… In recent years scientists scrapped this old model and now suggest there was indeed a beginning (something that Jews have been claiming since day one).

These three words are not the creation of day or night - but time itself.

Pretty much any scientist will tell you that the universe is 15 billion years old – but he is not saying the end of that sentence – if said in its entirety it would read ”the universe is 15 billion years old as seen from the time-space coordinates that we exist in”. If we were stood on Jupiter, 1 day would be equal to 9.8 earth hours – does this mean the universe was made faster if you were born on Jupiter? Of course not.

The universe started small and expanded outwards – if we were to stand at the beginning of time and send a pulse from a. to b. at regular intervals, the time delay would increase as point b. moved away from point a. I shan’t bore you with the science but when studied this stretching of space can be summarised with the following:

The total sum of creation years now stands at 15 and 3/4 billion years – coincidentally the same figure that modern cosmologist age the universe…

on a more serious note if god exists then surely the devil must exist then how can you be sure dinosaurs really existed?

all we have are fossilised remains which could easily have been placed there by other sources? ie the devil for those not bright enough to put that together themselves...

go on then...

two words big bang !

I'll repeat.....

Christians do not understand genesis and they interpret it literally... The answers lie within the wording:

To start with, notice how the bible starts with “In the beginning” and not “on the first day”… Torah scholars explain that this is to do with the concept of time; up until recently scientists thought the universe was eternal (there was no beginning and there shall be no end)… In recent years scientists scrapped this old model and now suggest there was indeed a beginning (something that Jews have been claiming since day one).

These three words are not the creation of day or night - but time itself.

Pretty much any scientist will tell you that the universe is 15 billion years old – but he is not saying the end of that sentence – if said in its entirety it would read ”the universe is 15 billion years old as seen from the time-space coordinates that we exist in”. If we were stood on Jupiter, 1 day would be equal to 9.8 earth hours – does this mean the universe was made faster if you were born on Jupiter? Of course not.

The universe started small and expanded outwards – if we were to stand at the beginning of time and send a pulse from a. to b. at regular intervals, the time delay would increase as point b. moved away from point a. I shan’t bore you with the science but when studied this stretching of space can be summarised with the following:

The total sum of creation years now stands at 15 and 3/4 billion years – coincidentally the same figure that modern cosmologist age the universe…




The big bang theory ties perfectly in with the above... life however does not - I ask you to scientifically prove abiogenesis.

prove the big bang happened then?

stating theories is not proof unless you back them up with evidence.

no need to repeat m8 but thats bollocks any way you've just modified to suit you argument there! there was no discliamer in the bible to say that time frames were hypathetical

what are you talking about?

Long before Darwin came along the Jews had been contesting the age of the universe (the torah is nothing without the Talmud and its accompanying texts).... Pyscaholic you know very little about Judaism so why are you attempting to tell me what the Torah means?!?!?

I've just told you one of the dominant Jewish thoughts (another would be that you can't have earth day's when the sun wasn't created untill the fourth day)... No jew takes the Torah as they see it as that is not how you read it.

Andy please . listen i have never said i knew anything about judisam i am just saying i dont get why people are killing in somthing that i see as not true (IMO)

Andy if the world only fought over things you understood - it would be one peaceful fucking place

FUCK OFF!


it aint that i dont understand i do i just cant get my head round the fact people can be so fanatical that they would kill for it thats all

its more noble to die for something than to die of somethnig.

I never said there is no 'truth' in the bible. Certain people existed at certain times historically that is so and I wouldn't contest it. Certain things in the old testament such as the genealogical lists could or could not be true, there is no way of finding out now. aspects of jewish history likewise. Was there a man called abraham? who knows. There was probably a first jew I guess what his name was is unimportant.
there are other things in the bible which seem to me to be grotesquely improbable and I would say the burden of proof should be on those who assert the truth of them.
these would include the noahs ark story and genesis as she is writ.
Well I guess if a lot of clever men sit down and study a text for long enough they can make it mean anything they want and Joes elegant take on the length of biblical days seems to be a perfect example.
My main beef is with christian fundamentalists who say that every word of the bible is 'true' and then go on to tell others how to live their lives based on such horseshit.
there are aspects of jewish dietry laws for instance which seem to me to be just good ideas to follow if you are living a subsistence agricultural life in a very hot country. They make no sense in england IMO.
I don't mind people following them it's a free country. It's just when they claim that god wants them to do it I start to lose respect for their intelligence. does he really give a shit and will all those who don't suffer eternal torture in hell.......
I could go ranting on for ever on this one blah

i'll sum it up for you then bible = a 2000 year old game of chinese whispers !

it the old your catholic cos you were brought up a catholic by your parant's same gose for all religions tbh it would be intresting to do an exsperiment where a small group of us move to an island miles from any where and make its own civilisation with the founder members playing the role of jesus and mary types but a little differnt .then bring them to the rest of the world in a couple of thousand years and see if they take what we had said as gospel . sort of like the village meets lost

But no Jew interprets the Torah literally, its a scholarly religion which was simplified by Islam and Christianity.

Surely I could say the same to you? The computer desk in front of me is 90% space, yet it looks solid despite science informing me otherwise... Some science can be proven but a large amount of it is theory.

Why should I be forced to prove my beliefs when you cannot prove your own?

How is that any different from scientific theory?!?!?!

Do you realise how pompous you sound? Intellectually (like myself) you're a light weight - yet you'll sit there and disrespect scholars with wisdom you couldn't begin to comprehend - because you can't comprehend their belief spectrum.

You're preaching intolerance.

It depends on the religion we're discussing.