Hamza is a Brit

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  1. S.E.C.T.

    S.E.C.T. Kiss My Face

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    Well actually if I was in power I probably would boot Teknofish out too...but thats another arguement....

    You are still totally missing the point. It IS legal for the government to rebuke his citizenship. Fact. The loss of his natural citizenship in Egypt is why his appeal has been successful i.e. we have no where to deport him to

    I did think about this, clearly you did not.
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    Abu Hamza is being kept in the public eye for a reason.

    The masses need a bogey man to stick on the front of the Sun every few months, to justify whatever new invasion of civil liberty that is going to be forced on us.

    You can't tell me that a supposedly 'dangerous terrorist' is somehow a UK citizen due to some loophole or set of situations that our hands are utterly tied on. Considering we can twist the law time and again to fight illegal wars, murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people .... then i hardly see why we have to just put up with this.

    You wont see the end of Abu Hamza any time soon. He is absolutely essential to the establishment.
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    ^ wot he says is also true. They want to keep you good and scared and scapegoats are very useful. Just ask Hitler
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    well I'm glad you are not in power then. Technofish has the right to say what he likes in a free country IMO and whilst I disagree with him iI would defend free speech over the right of others not to be offended.
    It is only legal for the government to revoke the citizenship of people with dual citizenship, not people with only British citizenship as this would leave them stateless and in legal limbo. Hamza's case is that he is no longer an Egyptian citizen and is therefore in that position.
    There are very good reasons why the law places limits on the power of the state. I am very glad that is so. Compared to the importance of those limits for all our safety, Hamza is a fleabite.
    More people die of paracetamol each year than are killed by Hamza and his followers. Have some perspective wider than the tabloid press, He's not that powerful and he's already in jail
    If we got out of the middle east and stopped making ourselves a target for extremists we wouldn't have to keep taking our own liberties away.
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    Shame we cant send him Stateside as a bit waterboarding will do him good.
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    or we could give him to the army who seemingly kick people to death for fun
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    As a foreigner myself, sick and tired of them imposing their ideas and beliefs in this country or any other country thats not where they are originally from. You have the right to beleive in whatever you want, dont force it on others. :/
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    how is he imposing them? He sure as hell aint imposed them on me
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    Granted he's not knocking at your door in an Npower jacket, but jeeeesus Forks cummon...

    He's imposing his beliefs by inciting the murder of Western civilians in a Western Country & publicly rallying Islamic extremists to carry out Jihad attacks on the streets of London?
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    As long as his heart ain't "pumpin" then surely he is alright?
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    I'll never forget that night as long as I live :lol:
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    inciting and imposing are 2 different things. He can incite me all he likes, I aint doing it. The government has imposed a prison sentence on him, which he is.
    I think anyone can come from anywhere and say whatever they like, it's supposed to be a free country. Once we start running scared of these blokes and trying to shut them up rather than arguing back and showing that we are right is when we have lost that freedom.
    I repeat that the reason they have some success is that they are partly right. We are running round the middle east bombing the shit out of innocent people, imprisoning and torturing people.
    If the Arabs were to come here and do that then would we be justified in fighting back in exactly the same manner?
    That's what is fuelling terrorism and making blokes like Hamza powerful. We are not the innocents here.
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    I get the difference...

    He was imposing his anti-western beliefs on the streets of a western city by rallying Islamic extremists publicly. As a western civilian I don't want to wake up in a City I've been raised all my life to find a Terrorist calling for the heads of all western civilians & troops - thats imposing.

    Errrrm... no.

    Just because I was born and raised in a Western country does not make me accountable for a Governments actions. I have worked hard all my life & paid the men in suits for the majority of it, I've never harmed another human in my existence and never broken the law. I completely disagree with any forms of war so how are we not the innocents here?
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    He's only 'imposing' at the point where the media give him all their attention, in order to sell newspapers to the public who are all too happy to hate the next person they are told to hate.

    No media attention would have meant he was just some guy in a mosque spouting his anti western ideals. Is that any more different to the ignorant white people in this country who take pride in the illegal wars we have decided to fight over the past decade, and incite violence against muslims while in their shitty local boozer, or to the rest of their ignorant mates? I bet if the Sun had the same picture of some guy in scotswood day after day with "this guy is stirring up racial hatred", you would have people on the streets with flaming torches in a matter of days.

    People soon forget that this was SUPPOSED to be about finding a dozen or so terrorists who crashed some planes into some buildings (Saudi's btw). On the back of it, we have 2 countries who have had 'regieme change' imposed on them, and it feels like a war against the muslim religion instead.
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    Look i can call for all the heads of everybody in Cramlington but i can't impose that. Geddit?
    And you live in a democracy. you are responsible for what your government does in your name. Sorry.
    Not like the 100,000 Iraqis who lived in Saddams dictatorship who your government and it's allies murdered.
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    We have a choice to vote for or against a Government in elections, but once they are in power, we do not have responsibility for their actions. We are only accountable for giving them that power in the first place
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    In my name! wow! now I'm to blame for the war?

    Wait till my mam catches word of this... there'll be hell on.










    P.s can you arrange for me to meet your dealer?
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    if not us, the British (and the Americans) then who? Or are you only British when it comes to the nice bits?
    Your whole shtick is based on Nationalistic bullyboy bollocks
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    Ahhh it's 'us' again. Phhhew! (Mother will be pleased).

    Ok I have to stop you before you run off on a tangent here as your talking shit, please stop.

    You told me I was accountable for my Governments actions, incorrect. On so many levels it would take me another 3 days to correct you. In short I'm accountable for absolutely zero, nish, nothing. Irrespective of where I live or my Nationality. It's like saying all Iraqi's deserved everything they got during the invasion as they lived under the regime of Sadam Hussain who was a genocidal maniac? Get real.

    Your whole shtick is smells of cheap weed & new balance trainers.
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    ok you're not responsible for anything. Then just shut up about Hamza and what the government is doing since its nothing to do with you. Get on with playing tunes and making sure you keep up with the other fashionistas. bye.

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