Opinions on "cheating"?

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  1. Jase

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    If you arent beatmatching, using a mixer properly or doing some kind of 'grafting' then i dont see how a dj is any different than girls aloud, who are merely there to 'work the crowd' to a backing track.

    Granted, i reckon DJ'ing is alot easier these days for the average 'two tunes mixed' type dj's ..... and im not saying thats a bad thing - But it gets to the point at that stage when theres little to separate the average 'superstar' with a guy in his bedroom apart from the star appeal.
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    christ, theres more to djing that just mixing tracks together
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    Of course there is, but isnt this discussion about the level of 'skill' involved if as a 'superstar' dj, all your doing is turning up to play some typical crowd pleasing tunes, and some 'lite' versions of a james zabiela efx 'trick' over another tune? .... which is alot of what DJ's like eddie halliwell seem to do?
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    Just when I'm playing a track and messing around with the flanger, reverd, delay etc.. it never seems to actually record any of it. It's as if I've just played the track and then mixed in the next.

    It is because I'm recording it internally too, I think.
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    we never had this level of skill in the days of vynil

    i bet these lads have no problem at all setting the timer on their betamax
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    Just think its interesting (IF ITS TRUE) that dj's like eddie who seemed to be massive 'workers' a while ago .... have transitioned to a different level of dj'ing.

    I've watched videos of him 'scratching' and the speed at which he goes from cue'ing up tracks to mixing and cutting them up is astounding .... he's either magic, or using tunes with the same tempo ...... or im full of shit.

    (probably the last one).
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    Hopefully if you are earning £x thousand per gig then you can deliver a high level of performance.

    Plus he probably plays mostly the same set for a couple of weeks at a time so just knows what to do next.
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    ... or he sets it all up so he doesn't lose his fan-base due to all the haters that frequent internet forums and blogs?

    if you were in their position, i think you would want to keep it, therefore making mistakes and being on youtube the next morning might not be a viable career move (although jules seems to be surviving that kind of thing ok)

    like any job, there is always someone out there that wants it more than you do, can do it better than you and will not think twice about voicing that to everyone who will listen

    so in that light, is it protecting their career or selling out?
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    Id rather hear someone make a couple of mistakes than just play a set that might aswell have been done by a robot.

    A couple of fuck ups hear and there add a realism to it all.
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    Luciano's mixing is terrible when he plays out, but he's still doing alright for himself.
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    Same applies to adam sheridan...


    http://www.nucastle.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71565

    I just can't understand why dj's that are so talented would want to pre program their sets, the whole deal of dj'ing is the buzz of mixing, and i would have thought dj's would want to maintain high standards and constantly improve themselves?After all it is their job:)
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    completely agree
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    Your protecting a house built on sand if dj's think they can 'fake' it like that - sooner or later the fickle crowds catch on ..... judge jules knows about that ;)

    The more i think about it though, the more i think its pretty fair game ....... most people know what they like and can see through what is in front of them, and make the decision or not if they choose to follow those kind of dj's.
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    im not protecting anything brid, infact i welcome with open arms the day they get left at the side for faking something that looks like it might require some skill

    maybe the thousands of djs out there that actually do have some skill will get a chance to do something they love, instead of watching a load of half wits mimic being bothered about adjusting an eq pot by zero db

    my original comment was just my thoughts on what they might be thinking from a business point of view, not whether it was a good idea or even a plausible one :)
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    all about the DLC :) :cool2:



    most superstar big name djs are just people who worked hard promoting nights/put the hours in doing nights being technically good counts for very little when you're at the top of the commercial scene I reckon seeing as all your doing is turning up and playing that months floorfillers at peak time really, most of the locals on this board could do exactly the same technique wise,

    it's the years of plugging away putting on empty nights booking other djs etc that have got most of the big names where they are

    either that or producing successful dance tracks/running a big label e.g timo maas (one big remix catapulted him from virtual unkown to global superstar)

    the reason they use pre matched cds is cos they're in the mass market broad appeal commercial end of dance music where their reputations are on the line much like pop groups who get caught lip syncing, it's all good to the brainwashed punters as long as nobody finds out,

    they're not proper djs, they may have been at one point in their lives but now they're just a product/a brand and they have to deliver the big tunes mixed well to get the big big bucks they've moved well away form the underground and are basically just pop/rock stars belting out the hits to the masses so who gives a toss how they do it? as a proper dance music fan they shouldn't even be on your radar really, it's like indie fans being arsed if Busted are lip syncing
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    I don't mind dj's having having the bpms pre-matched as long as they use the spare time that gives them to do something to up the performance.
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    in the superstar dj world this usually translates to jumping up and down shouting "lets ave it!"/ sweating alot and waving their arms about:lol:
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    I didnt mean 'Your' as in YOU ... i meant it generally ... oops :D
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    Im not very up to date with 'pre-matched' bpm's

    Does this just mean all the tunes are pre 'adjusted' and then burned to disk (or whatever) as say 130bpm?



    ..... then the dj knows that they can just set every tune to the same pitch on whatever cdj they want, and they will be perfectly in time?

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